Is this true that Jesus drank alcoholic wine as the lyrics, “Cause I heard Jesus, He drank wine”? Some question this. What kind of wine did Jesus drink? Did Jesus drink intoxicating amounts of wine?
The Definition of Biblical Wine
The word “wine” in the Bible is not always alcoholic or equivalent to modern wine. The Bible uses one Greek word for “wine” and “grape juice” which could mean alcoholic wine of varying amounts or non-alcoholic grape juice (1 Tim 3:8; Titus 2:3). The Hebrew word for “wine” is yayin and the Greek is oinos (MT; LXX). Biblical “wine” is grape juice that may or may not have fermented. However, the wine of today has considerably more alcohol than wine in the first century because of modified yeast. The Bible includes a number of examples of unfermented “wine”:
- “Wine” is the blood of the grape (Gen 49:11–12, Heb. yayin, Gr. oinos LXX; Deut 32:14, Heb. chemer; Gr. oinos LXX).
- The vineyard is the place of “red wine” (Isa 27:2, Heb. chemer).
- “Wine” refers to the grape juice from the grapes of the field (Deut 11:14; 2 Chr 31:5, Heb. tirosh; Gr. oinos LXX; Jer 40:10, 12, Heb. yayin; Gr. oinos LXX).
- Scripture describes “wine” that is in the grape (Isa 65:8, Heb. tirosh).
- The grape juice of the wine-press is “wine” (Prov 3:10, Heb. tirosh; Gr. oinos LXX; Isa 16:10; Jer 48:33, Heb. yayin; Gr. oinos LXX).
These references reveal that the word “wine” in Hebrew and Greek often refers to non-alcoholic grape juice in the Bible. Linguistics requires that one begin with the generic meaning and then determine other specific meanings of a word by its context and, or use.
In reading the Old Testament, Bible translations represent six different Hebrew words “wine” for which one word excludes alcohol. This word is asis meaning “sweet grape juice” or “new grape juice.” The word has no reference to alcohol, yet translators have interpreted it as “wine” to avoid interpreting the contexts with nuances and ambiguity. Therefore, the word “wine” does not necessarily mean alcoholic wine in the Bible.
The Bible does not appear to contain one positive statement about intoxicating wine or any such drink. The Bible does include positive words about generic “wine” that is grape juice (Gen 14:18; Num 15:5–10; Deut 14:26; Ps 104:15; Isa 55:1; Amos 9:14; John 2:1–11; 1 Tim 5:23). References to “strong drink” or “liquor” in the Bible refer to cider in biblical translations of sikera, σικερα, according to Danker and Gingrich’s Greek lexicon (cf. Deut 14:26; Luke 1:15; Wycliffe’s Bible).
Ancient Wine and Today’s Wine
In the Bible, alcoholic wine is not like wine today. The sugar of grape juice can only ferment to 3 or 4% alcohol with wild yeast — airborne yeast. For grape juice to exceed 4% alcohol, then the winemaker must add yeast. The yeast added to ancient wines produced between 4–11% alcohol. Alcohol kills these yeast cells and prevents levels of alcohol from exceeding ~10%. Today, wines average 12–20% alcohol due to modern fermentation by adding sulfur dioxide and Saccharomyces (a cultured GMO yeast) to a late harvest of ripened grapes with higher fructose (Winemaker Magazine, Wines & Vines, UC Davis, International Biblical Encyclopedia, “Alcohol in the Church,” Bible Wine). Today’s wine is not like biblical wine in regards to alcoholic content. Due to the later invention of distilling, strong drinks like liquor exceed 20% alcohol for which today’s wine is coming close to matching.
When reading the word “wine” in the Bible, the word may simply refer to grape juice or intoxicating wine not exceeding ~10% alcohol. The reader must interpret the word “wine” within its context to determine if it is alcoholic. However, biblical wine is certainly not like wine today.
Because of the use of the word “wine” in English Bibles, many presume that Jesus drank alcoholic wine. Jesus did not drink modern wine. The methods for fermenting highly-alcoholic wine had not yet been invented. Jesus’s opponents did accuse Him of being a “wine-drinker” from the Greek oinopoteis, because He came freely eating and also drinking grape juice unlike John the Baptist who restricted his eating and drinking (Matt 11:18–19; Luke 7:33–34). These antagonists appear to accuse Jesus of drinking alcoholic wine. However, when the reader considers the wedding that Jesus attended in Cana and Jesus’s institution of the Lord’s Supper, then His drinking of wine is not what many have presumed.
Water to Wine
What about Jesus turning water into wine? Upon reading John 2:1–11 in most English translations, many took the text as stating that Jesus turned water into intoxicating wine at the wedding in Cana, a small town in Galilee (John 2). These scriptures infer that the wedding guests “have well drunk” a large amount of oinos wine. The Greek word translated as “well drunk” is methuo meaning literally to fill or make full, and many times the word means “drunk” depending on the context. Translators correctly render methuo as “drunk” in contexts referring to drunkenness by drinking intoxicating wine or filling oneself with wine (Gingrich and Danker’s lexicon). John’s reference to the guests having “drunk well” and becoming full also implies that the wedding feast was relatively short especially if one takes this word in John 2:10 to mean that the guests were “drunk.”
In this case, Jesus either made more alcoholic wine for those who were drunk or He made more grape juice for those who would have their fill. Which is plausible: that Jesus created intoxicating wine for those who were drunk or that He made fresh “new wine,” grape juice, for those who had drunk well of the previous supply? If one interprets this passage as Jesus making alcoholic wine, then Jesus created more intoxicating wine for those who were already drunk or filled. If one perceives that the wedding guests were simply full of non-alcoholic wine, then Jesus made “new wine” with minimal to no alcohol.
Furthermore, “good wine” was limited late in winter and just before Passover when the wine had aged throughout the year (John 2:13). Jesus providing more aged and intoxicating wine would not have been an apparent miraculous sign. Jesus provided them with “good wine.” Was it “good wine” as though received from the grape press? The making of new wine would magnify Jesus’s sign because this was just before the Passover and before the first harvest of grapes. Therefore, Jesus’s production of fresh grape juice would have been an evident miraculous wonder of God.
The master of the feast depicted the situation that which the guests had filled themselves with wine from the meaning of “filled” of the Greek word methuo in John 2:9–10. A wedding feast may last a day and sometimes more (Alfred Edersheim, The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah). John depicted that many would have drunk well of the wine so the guests were full as implied by the Greek word methuo. Being filled with wine tells that this drinking of the wedding feast occurred in a short amount of time within a few hours. The guests would immediately drink the wine that Jesus made. If Jesus made alcoholic wine, Jesus would have made more intoxicating wine amounting to between 120 to 180 gallons of additional alcoholic wine. What would happen if three hundred guests “have well drunk” and then drank an additional 150 gallons of alcoholic wine? Jesus would have given each guest an additional 64 ounces of alcoholic wine. The average person would have drunk another 6–12 drinks of alcoholic wine if there were 300 guests. However, the abundance was part of the miracle like the 12 baskets of bread left over from feeding the 5,000. Maybe the wine was not meant to be consumed immediately.
Even considering a wedding party of a thousand guests who have well drunk, each person would have consumed about 19 ounces of wine. Presuming that this wine contained 10% alcohol because the scenario includes fermented wine and the guests drank it all in one day, Jesus would have aided a thousand people in binge drinking having intoxicated the guests with three additional drinks who were already intoxicated as indicated by the Greek methuo for having “well drunk.” For each guest to have had simply two more drinks, then the wedding would have had at least 1,600 attendees. Despite the number in attendance, Jesus would have presumably contributed a considerable amount of alcohol to those who were already filled with wine. For those proposing that Jesus made highly intoxicating wine like today’s wine, 16–24 ounces would intoxicate anyone at an alcoholic level of 12–15% according to the CDC. Either today’s intoxicating wine or first-century fermented wine appears to be an absurdity at this wedding.
To assume that Jesus made alcoholic wine is to assume that after everyone had drunk all the other wine, then Jesus made more intoxicating wine for all of those who had their fill. The scenario of Jesus producing alcoholic wine appears implausible and uncharacteristic of biblical commands to refrain from drunkenness. If Jesus did make a great amount of fermented wine, He would have aided the sin of drunkenness and excessive drinking and would have participated in a drinking party, which are all condemned by His disciple and apostle Peter in the Scriptures (1 Pet 4:3).
Wine and the Lord’s Supper
Did Jesus use alcoholic wine in the Lord’s Supper? What kind of wine would someone drink at a feast where yeast was thrown out? Many have assumed that Jesus drank wine because many churches have made alcoholic wine a part of the “Eucharist,” the Lord’s Supper. Did Jesus use highly alcoholic wine when He instituted the Lord’s Supper? First, the Scriptures never use the word “wine” in any of the four accounts of Jesus instituting the Lord’s Supper. Jesus mentioned the specific content of the cup containing “the fruit of the grapevine.” The passages about the Lord’s Supper make no reference to alcoholic wine. The Greek word for “wine” is never used in Scripture to describe any part of the Lord’s Supper.
Jesus instituted the Lord’s Supper during the Passover Feast. What kind of wine did the Jews use during Passover? Jesus used unleavened bread in the Passover because this is also the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Israel threw out all leaven by God’s command including the leavened bread (Exod 13:6–7). The throwing out of the yeast implies that Israel removed the grape juice fermented by the leavening of yeast. Fermented wine was not likely a part of the Passover taught by Moses. Furthermore, Jesus referred to the contents of the cup as “fruit of the grapevine” in the Lord’s Supper indicating minimal to no fermentation even from wild yeast. The intent of the cup of the Lord was not to intoxicate.
What about those who got drunk by drinking the Lord’s Supper? Getting drunk by bringing intoxicating wine to the Lord’s Supper does not mean that Jesus gave the disciples alcoholic wine in the Lord’s Supper. First Corinthians 11:21–22 depicts, “Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord’s Supper. For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and another is drunk [methuo]” (ESV). This passage also uses the Greek word methuo, which can mean drunk or filled (cf. John 2:10). Some ate the Lord’s Supper as a meal so that they were filled and those who drank were also filled not necessarily drunk. However, Paul could have been correcting such intoxication as well. If one assumes that these Christians became drunk in the assembly using the grape juice for the Lord’s Supper, then they must also presume that those drinking brought enough intoxicating wine to get drunk and intended to use such for the Lord’s Supper. The use of alcoholic wine implies that some of these Christians brought intoxicating wine for the church to drink together for the Lord’s Supper. They would also have decided to drink and get drunk from that wine in assembly rather than wait for others. Whether the wine was alcoholic or not, 1 Corinthians 11 neither condones alcoholic wine for the Lord’s Supper nor suggests that Jesus used alcoholic wine for His disciples to commune with Christ in remembrance of His sacrificial blood.
Warnings about Wine
Jesus warned against drunkenness and filling oneself with intoxicating drinks that trap people in this life (Luke 21:34). The Bible warns those who do drink, linger, and look at the cup (Prov 23:29–35; Rom 14:17–22). Christians can and should warn others about alcohol.
The apostle Paul revealed that those who continue in drunkenness will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:9–11; Gal 5:19–21). The Greek word translated “drunkenness” literally means “filling oneself” in Scripture (Eph 5:18–19; cf. Rom 13:13). Christ’s Spirit in Galatians 5:19–21 teaches that such “drunkenness” is a “work of the flesh” and “those who are doing such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5 also condemned “wild parties” or “revelries” where any of the lists of sins like drunkenness would constitute a party as sinful and carnal. Paul also revealed in 1 Corinthians 6:10 that drunkards “will not inherit the kingdom of God.” Drunkenness and filling one’s body with intoxicants is a sin.
Filling oneself with alcohol is evil and compromises the sobriety of the Christian conscience and one’s heart (cf. Rom 2:14–15; 1 John 3:19–21). Christ’s words and those of His apostles and prophets urge all to avoid drunkenness, and so Christians should do likewise and warn others of drunkenness. Peter warned, “For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Nations want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness [lit. excessive drinking], orgies, drinking parties [lit. drinkings], and lawless idolatry” (1 Pet 4:3). The word for “drunkenness” in 1 Peter 4:3 is not the usual word for drunkenness, but the Greek word is oinophlugia made of two words oinos meaning “wine” and phlugia is “to do something in excess.” Excessive drinking is a sin. Furthermore, “drinking parties” is translated from the Greek word potos, which literally denotes occasions that people gather for the purpose of drinking.
The apostle Paul commanded Christians to remain sober and make no provision to become drunk on any level (1 Thess 5:8). Christ had no part with drunkenness and drinking parties, so His followers must not. According to Romans 14, Christians should not condemn their brother over a drink; although, every Christian has the scriptural example and the foresight to warn against its use and against looking at the cup (Prov 23:29–35; Rom 14:17–22). Solomon warned by the wisdom of God.
Do not look on the wine when it is red, When it sparkles in the cup, When it swirls around smoothly; At the last it bites like a serpent, And stings like a viper. Your eyes will see strange things, And your heart will utter perverse things. (Prov 23:31–33)
Therefore, “Wine is a mocker, Strong drink is a brawler, And whoever is led astray by it is not wise” (Prov 20:1). The assertions of positive statements about drinking alcohol in the Bible are private interpretations.
Conclusion
The wine that Jesus drank was not intoxicating. Alcoholic wine is not characteristic of Jesus or any godly behavior in the Bible. Jesus neither encouraged drunkenness nor drank intoxicating wine. No one can rightly reference Jesus to justify excessive drinking, drunkenness, and drinking events. The Bible neither promotes nor supports the drinking of intoxicants. God’s grace compels Christians no longer to continue in any excessive drinking of alcohol because they have been forgiven.
Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. (Rom 13:13–14)
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Hello Scott. This was actually a discussion I recently had on my Facebook. I ask, “Is it a sin to drink alcoholic beverages?” I’d say no to that in regards to Wine being served with dinner and such. Drunkenness is what is condemned in the Bible. The Church of Corinth obviously had Wine that contained alcohol – sort of hard to get drunk from non-alcoholic Wine.
Yes, I’m back blogging, but no ‘sock puppetry’ this time.
Randy Craiger
Randy, it good to hear from you. I agree with you except for the drunkenness mentioned in 1 Cor. 11. The word for drunkenness literally means “filled”. Even if these Christians were drunk, that does not mean that it was from the cup intended for the Lord’s Supper. Remember that Jesus only spoke of the fruit of the vine.
See the details of this in my article: Reconsidering Being Biblically Drunk.
God bless.
I will read the link above. But for now, I am curious as to what Paul meant when giving qualifications of elders and deacons. He says “not given much wine.” This implies that ‘much wine’ would result in drunkenness, which means it was alcoholic wine.
Yes, this is certainly alcoholic wine and some is not forbidden for deacons, but it is not permitted for elders (1 Tim. 3), who are our examples (1 Pet. 5:1-4).
I do not have a good response to the believer, who says that if Paul told deacons not to be given to much adultery or thievery, then would a little adultery and theft be alright. That appears to be faulty reasoning simply because Christ’s Spirit did not say this and it is all hypothetical. That is something I must study more.
Hello Mr. Shifferd, just wanted to leave my response to the wine bit.
I encountered once again[1] the argument that one should not drink alcohol[2] because Jesus did not do so. The wine referred to in the New Testament is rationalized away as a translation issue: the Aramaic[3] word translated as wine supposedly also refers to grape juice. As Jesus did not drink alcohol, the translation[4] in most versions of the bible is wrong.
The argument is circular, and provably false.
Let’s start with a fact most people will find astonishing. Grape juice, as we know it, did not exist in biblical times. Grape juice is a 19th century invention.
You might well ask “If it wasn’t grape juice, what was the fluid extracted from grapes in biblical times?”
Obviously it was the juice of the grape, but it already had an alcohol content.
The normal practice to maximize volume of juice produced together with the best flavour and high sugar content, was to let grapes fully ripen. By the time the overall crop was ripe, natural airborne yeast would have already initiated the fermentation process.[5]
When the grapes were crushed to extract the juice, significant alcohol would be already present in the fluid. And without refrigeration and preservatives, fermentation proceeded to completion.
The production of grape juice without alcohol content was nearly impossible, and even if it happened through crushing underripe grapes, fermentation would still start within a few days from natural yeast spores in the air, or from those present on the skin of the grape.
Non-alcoholic grape juice was not available until 1869 when it was invented by Dr. Thomas Welch. (It’s called Welch’s Grape Juice for a reason.) Welch was a teetotaller who objected to taking communion with wine and who wanted a non-alcoholic alternative. So after experimentation he succeeded in developing what he called “unfermented wine.” Even then it was called wine, not grape juice, that name coming into use when his son took over marketing in 1875.
And the idea that biblical wine should be interpreted as grape juice, well, that is an even newer innovation. That had to wait until people forgot what a recent invention grape juice really was.
If there really was a historical Jesus Christ, then the wine he drank contained alchol
Where are these references to be read?
By “drink alcohol”, do you mean drinking alcohol, and that one can have 2 or 3 drinks and then be sober to even drive?
“Unfermented wine” sounds right. Why would someone make sure that there was no alcohol in the communion?
This will be my new article:
The Greek word often translated “drunk” has broader meaning. Only by context can the word refer to drunkenness. The Greek word methuo means to be filled, rushed (with liquid), saturated, or satiated. Today, the word “drinking” has a broad meaning a specific meaning including drinking alcohol. We may speak of someone who drinks and is a drinker about drinking alcohol, and speak of a person being thirsty and drinking without alcohol. One is clearly referring to drinking strong drink and the other is drinking to quench one’s thirst and hydrate one’s body.
Because of the general meaning of this Greek word methuo, some has presumed that methuo means primarily drunk or drunkenness. With this, John 2:10 is interpreted so that Jesus intoxicates the people at a wedding feast even more, and 1 Corinthians 10:21 is interpreted to imply that “the fruit of the grapevine” of the Lord’s Supper was alcoholic and people could get drunk from it. This Greek word is the word used to show that the act of being filled with an intoxicant is a sin (Rom. 13:13, 1 Cor. 5:11, 6:10, Gal. 5:21, Eph. 5:18, 1 Thess. 5:7). The word methuo refers to one being filled with an intoxicant and not necessarily being intoxicated.
Here are the uses of methuo from the Greek Old Testament that show that the word does not exclusively imply intoxication:
Psalm 23:5, “You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You have anointed my head with oil; My cup overflows.”
Psalm 36:8, “They are abundantly satisfied with the fullness of Your house, And You give them drink from the river of Your pleasures.”
Psalm 65:9-10, “You visit the earth and water it, You greatly enrich it; The river of God is full of water; You provide their grain, For so You have prepared it. (10) You water its ridges abundantly, You settle its furrows; You make it soft with showers, You bless its growth.”
Isaiah 34:5, “For My sword shall be bathed in heaven; Indeed it shall come down on Edom, And on the people of My curse, for judgment.”
Isaiah 34:7, “The wild oxen shall come down with them, And the young bulls with the mighty bulls; Their land shall be soaked with blood, And their dust saturated with fatness” (cf. Deut. 32:42, Jer. 46:10).
Isaiah 51:21, “Therefore please hear this, you afflicted, And drunk but not with wine.”
Isaiah 55:10, “For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater,”
Isaiah 58:11, “The LORD will guide you continually, And satisfy your soul in drought, And strengthen your bones; You shall be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail.”
Jeremiah 31:14, “I will satiate the soul of the priests with abundance, And My people shall be satisfied with My goodness, says the LORD.”
Jeremiah 31:25, “For I have satiated the weary soul, and I have replenished every sorrowful soul.”
Lamentations 3:15, “He has filled me with bitterness, He has made me drink wormwood.”
Haggai 1:6, “You have sown much, and bring in little; You eat, but do not have enough; You drink, but you are not filled with drink; You clothe yourselves, but no one is warm; And he who earns wages, Earns wages to put into a bag with holes.”
Now interpret:
John 2:10, “And he said to him, ‘Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!’”
1 Corinthians 11:21, “For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and another is drunk [filled].”
Can’t wait!!! On the edge of my seat waiting to read your next article on how “drunk” in the scripture does not really mean “drunk”! Good grief! When are you going to write an article about Jesus?
This is the article, “Reconsider Being Biblically Drunk“.
I agree that they had actual alcohol but not all wine was alcoholic, Old and new wine. New being non and old being actual alcohol. So to say that Jesus drank alcoholic wine you can’t prove that he did. So those who use “Jesus made water in to wine” as a justification to drinking alcohol if you can prove to me that he made OLD(fermented) wine then I will believe it.
I am not saying it was ok to get drunk at the Lord’s Supper. It wasn’t and never is ok to do that – not only there but anywhere else but what I am pointing out that the Greek word means to be drunk.
a. NIDNTT: The incongruity of drunkenness and Christian experience emerges very clearly in the context of the Lord’s Supper (1 Cor. 11:21), so clearly in fact that current Corinthians practice must be declared invalid (11:20) (1:514, Drunken, P.J. Budd).
b. Thayer: Citing 1 Corinthians 11:21 it reads, “to be drunken” (Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, methuw, page 396).
c. Vine: The verb is used of being intoxicated in Matt. 24:49; Acts 2:15; 1 Cor. 11:21; 1 Thess. 5:7b (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, Drunk – methuw, page 333).
d. TDNT: Paul censures the Corinthians in 11:21. They destroy the fellowship of the Lord’s Supper. The rich separate themselves from the poor, and some are hungry while others are swollen with excess and drunk with wine. The imporatnt point here – in opposition to the Dionysus cult which was well established at Corinth – is that (NEXT PAGE) intoxication and the Lord’s Supper are incompatible (4:547-548, methee, Preisker).
I am glad that we agree on this that intoxication and the Lord’s Supper are separate. I understand your point that it appears that some were drunk. How? Did they drink the wine of the Lord’s Supper to get drunk? I find that the Apostle is noting that some were full and some were hungry, and some were filled with drink and others had none because they did not wait for one another.
I simply found that the word methuo does not always refer to drunkenness when I did a word-study of the LXX and saw the word meaning filled or rushing like a river.
We can do the same word-studies and the lexicographers more and see if they are corrected. I disagree with Vine’s.
The rich in Corinth acted really awful. They would go to church and then get drunk and then they would eat all the food before the poor arrived.
The word can mean something other than drunk based on its context but when it comes to the drinking of wine when it is used it refers to drunkenness. Thus the wine was definitely alcoholic.
What did Vine say that the others I cited don’t also say?
Thank you for sharing this Scott, I actually have been looking for scriptural proof and answers as to what Jesus drank, my husband is having a problem with it right now and he tries to justify it too but now that I am getting more answers he is starting understand more what I am talking about.
May God bless us all in the study of God’s Word. If I found that Jesus made alcoholic wine, I would have posted that. I just found that He did not. If I found that all wine was intoxicating, I would have published that and defended it.
You have my prayers. May God bless your home.
Oh my [—]! Scott couldn’t find it in scripture and in his reference books so it must not be true! You and Melissa are pathetic. Really. Later dude. Hopefully you’ll open your eyes one day and see. Check out my web site some time: http://www.seeinggrace.com
**James Barron’s comments are pending due to the continuous prejudice libels.
Typical Legalist response. Publish what I wrote and the readers will understand.
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Ha I really need to read what I write before I post it, I am not saying that you are a bad person, it is you beliefs and you have a right to believe in that. I apologize if I have said anything that is offensive to you.
The pharisees called Jesus many things. They always tried to discredit what Jesus taught. So you say that you will agree with what they called him? You can doubt me and Scott that is fine. You are still a good person I am not saying that either, I just think that is kind of rude to start calling me names because I have doubts in what it is you are trying to teach others.
They did drink alcohol but JESUS didn’t drink the wine that you insist that he did. I am only trying to tell you what the truth is and you choose to reject it that is your own problem, Yes Jesus loves us and we should love as he does. So wouldn’t Jesus want the truth to be known. When Christ was crucified they gave him fermented wine and he rejected it! He didn’t drink alcohol. You can say what ever you want about me call me name, I may be narrow minded and not going with other people views because the truth is the truth. I am done with this argument. I have said what I needed to say and if you choose not to believe what I have said that is your choice. Have a nice day and may God bless you. :)