It is declared by “progressives” associated with the churches of Christ that they are true to the Restoration Movement in purpose, beliefs, and practices. The words of Restoration leaders often contradict them. These “progressives” affirm that the Holy Spirit operates outside of the Word of God upon people today, and they label those who believe that the Spirit operates upon Christians only by His revealing of truth in the Scriptures as “word only” and ignorant. For the record, the operation of the Holy Spirit is great even in the creation of the world. It is not the operation of the Holy Spirit that is questioned since He makes intercession for us outside of the word of God. It is not that the Holy Spirit operates outside of the Word, but He does not operates upon man outside of the Word of God.
In reading volume one (1830) of the Millennial Harbinger by Alexander Campbell, Campbell soundly refutes the thinking of “progressives” and defends by the Spirit’s revelation of Scripture that the Scriptures are the all-sufficient source of the Spirit’s revelation. I have put in bold key statements of Brother Campbell, and due to the length of the article you may want to go straight to these bold texts. Campbell’s title is “The Voice of God and the Word of God: The Gospel No the Word of God”, and He writes,
“IT is very instructive to examine, with great accuracy, the various uses and applications of important words and phrases in the sacred writings. By so doing we form an acquaintance with the language which those holy men used as they spoke by the Holy Spirit; and from such an acquaintance with their language, we obtain the same ideas which they entertained of the great objects of christian faith and hope. Words and phrases which, in the Jewish writings, were used in a more general sense, are, in the New Institution, used in an appropriated sense. Thus while the term Christ was generally applied to all the anointed ones in the Jewish Age, it is in the apostolic writings exclusively appropriated to the Saviour. The phrase ‘the Word of God,‘ is used in a like restricted sense in the apostolic writings. From the ascension of Jesus it is appropriated to denote the glad tidings concerning Jesus. This is its current acceptation; so that out of thirty-four times which it occurs, from Pentecost to the end of the volume, it thirty times obviously refers to the gospel. On three occasions it is applied to the literal voice of God at the Creation and the Deluge, and once to him who is in his own person the Word of God. But what I wish to note here, is, that it is never applied to any writing or speech from the day of Pentecost, but to the gospel or proclamation of mercy to the human race. The previous writings given to the Jews are not called the word of God now, because this phrase has in it the idea of the present command and will of God.
‘A word of God,’ or ‘a word of the Lord,’ or ‘a message from the Lord,’ are phrases which frequently occur in the Jewish scriptures, and always refer to the immediate communication made by some messenger and addressed to some particular occasion. It did not mean what was before written or spoken, but what was spoken at that particular time, and by that particular person. For example, ‘a word of God came to Nathan;’ ‘a word of God came to John in the wilderness.’ Some particular message is always intended, implying a command with promises or with threatenings accompanying. Now this is the word which as glad tidings, says Peter, has been announced to you. This is now the will of God that we should obey him whom he has commissioned.
If it were necessary to establish this by proofs and arguments, it were easy to adduce many. But I shall only add, as a very strong evidence of the justice of this discrimination, the following fact:–Multitudes who received the Jewish scriptures as containing revelations from God–the former communications and messages of God, are, by the penmen of the New Testament, said to receive the word of God only when they obeyed the gospel. Acts iv. 31. ‘They spoke the word of God with boldness;’ ‘the word of God increased in Jerusalem.’ viii. 14. ‘They heard that Samaria had received the word of God.‘ xiii. 44. ‘The whole city came to hear the word of God.‘ 46. ‘It was necessary that the word of God should have been first spoken to you Jews.‘
The same remarks apply to the phrase ‘the word,‘ without any discriminating epithet, such as ‘the word which God sent to Israel’–by John. ‘Labor in the word and teaching.’ ‘If any one obey not the word.‘ ‘They received the word with all readiness of mind.’ And so in every passage in the Epistles where there is no peculiar direction given to it from accompanying explanations.
Having so far traced the exact import of the phrase ‘the word of God,‘ and ‘the word,‘ in the apostolic writings, I proceed to notice the various epithets which are used to designate the peculiar character of the word of God, or the gospel.
It is called ‘the word of reconciliation; the word of life; the word of his favor; the word of faith; the word of truth; the word of righteousness; the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.’ Such are the titles and descriptive epithets by which the word of God is commended to us by its author. It is the word which reconciles man to the divine character, will, and government. It is the word through which life is communicated to man, and by which he comes into the enjoyment of life. It is the word of faith, the subject matter of the christian’s belief, and the means by which we have confidence in God. It is the word of truth, or the truth emphatically, which delivers us from error and darkness, and imparts to the mind certainty in things unseen and future relative to the divine purposes. It is the word of righteousness by which we are accounted righteous in the sight of God, and by which alone we are qualified to live righteously. It is the implanted word, the word established by the Apostles in the world, which is able to save the soul. In a word, it is the word of God’s grace, or favor, by which alone we do enjoy the favor of God here, and are prepared to enjoy it forever.
The attributes of this word are strikingly displayed in the apostolic writings. It is called the living word, the sword of the Spirit. In one period Paul gives us a full description of it. Heb. iv. 12. ‘The word of God is living and effectual, and more cutting than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the parting of both soul and spirit, and of the joints also and marrows, and is a discerner of the desires and purposes of the heart?’
By it we are said to be purified, sanctified, begotten again, enlightened, saved. Nothing is so much extolled; no instrument so powerful, energetic, and effectual; so well adapted to its end, as the word of God. Every great moral change in man is ascribed to it; and it is uniformly presented to us as the great instrument of God’s almighty power. It is the voice of the Almighty. By his voice all his great works have been accomplished. God commanded light to shine out of darkness, and the only instrument which he is said to have employed in the original creation was his word. In the new creation he has not changed his plan, or employed a new instrument. Of his own will he has impregnated us by the word of truth, and has made his word the very principle of renovation. Hearing is imparted to man by his word; for faith comes by hearing, and hearing itself comes by the word of God.
To hear many of the moderns, who profess to preach the word, talk of it as they do, and represent it as a dead and inefficient letter, is enough to provoke the meekness of a Moses, or to awaken the indignation of a Paul. The voice of God spoke the universe into being from the womb of nothing. The same voice recreates the soul of man, and the same voice will awaken the dead at the last day. His voice, heard or read, is equally adapted to the ends proposed. Some look for another call, a more powerful call than the written gospel presents. They talk of an inward call, of hearing the voice of God in their souls. But what greater power can the voice of God in the soul have, or what greater power can this inward call have, than the outward call, or the voice of God, echoed by the Apostles? God’s voice is only heard now in the gospel. The gospel is now the only word of God, or will of God–the only proclamation and command addressed to the human race. ‘Tis in this word of God his Spirit operates upon men, and not out of it. Were the Spirit to lay it aside, and adopt any other instrument, it would be the greatest disparagement of the word of God, ‘which is the wisdom and power of God,’ ‘the word of life,’ and able ‘to save the soul;’ it would be to dishonor that word as men do who prefer other means for converting men to the gospel of Christ.
But let me ask, and seriously ask these inward called saints, who have heard some other voice of God than the word of God, What did that voice say? Any thing different from that which is written? If so, how did you judge it? To what standard did you refer it? If it said any thing to you different from what is written, you dare not hearken to it: for the written gospel, Jesus declared, will judge you at the last day. If it said nothing different from the written gospel, it must have repeated the same, and what was the meaning of repeating it? Does the word of God derive power from a mere repetition of it; or must God, like men, use frequent repetitions to supply the lack of power? Can the voice of God have more power in one language than another–at one time than another–in one place than in another? You cannot answer, Yes. What do you mean by an inward call? If there be a word spoken it must be what is written or what is not written. And you must see that either hypothesis issues in that which is inadmissible–in that which is absurd.
Do you mean, with Andrew Fuller, that the Spirit which first gives you life, quickens you without the word? Then I ask you two questions: First, Does it use any means? If you say, No: then you contradict universal analogy as well as the oracle of God: for the Spirit was to speak of Christ in doing its work. If you say it uses any means to quicken you, then those means are the principle of life. But then I ask, Have you not, in supposing life infused without the gospel by any other means, deprived the gospel of its character as the word of life–as the living word–as living, and powerful, and effectual–as the incorruptible seed?
But if you have heard a voice simply telling you, by name, that you are welcome, remember, I pray you, that that particular call or invitation to you destroys the veracity of God, and makes what is written of no value whatever. For if the general invitation is insincere, if it cannot be relied on, if there must be a particular assurance that you are welcome, that assurance given to you, implies that, without it, you had no assurance before; which would be directly to impeach the veracity of God; yes, his promise, though signed by his name and sealed by his hand. The special call, then, is either a lie or it makes the general call a lie. This is where your system ends. And let him who has an ear to hear hearken.
The voice of God, and the only voice of God which you will hear till he calls you home, is his written gospel. This is now the only word of God, the only command and the only promise addressed to all men; proclaimed by his authority to every creature. The gospel is the power of God to salvation, to every one who obeys it. ‘Tis in it the Spirit of God exhibits his energy, and he who thinks that the Spirit operates in any other way than clothed in the word of God in convincing and converting the world, feeds upon a fancy of his own, or of some other distempered mind.
I have never yet heard a person attentive to the apostolic writings, never heard a student and practitioner of them, complain of any want of power or energy in them. I have seen and felt their power to be that of the Spirit which endited them, an omnipotent moral instrument in his hand exactly adapted to man. Not physically omnipotent, as in creating something out of nothing; but so morally omnipotent that he who regards them not, could not be persuaded though angels, and spirits, and the dead revived, did appear and speak to them in a language never before heard. It is a mistake, a gross mistake, in my judgment, of the means necessary to restore man–a mistake of the nature of the government of God over man, of the actual condition of man, to imagine that any other than moral means, than the well attested developement of the love of God in the mission and sacrifice of his Son, is necessary to renew the heart of man, to reconcile him to God, and to prepare him for the enjoyment of the friendship and favor of God forever. But this only by the way. They who talk of a resistible and irresistible voice of God–who talk of a gospel grace common and special, have found a new Bible and a new gospel which I have not seen, nor read, and of course do not understand. The book, commonly called the New Testament, (rather the sacred writings of the Apostles and Evangelists of Jesus Christ,) is that from which I have derived my views of christianity, and to which alone I subscribe as the infallible arbiter of all questions touching the word of God, and the salvation of Jesus Christ. The voice of God has, in it, bid me welcome, and my ability to come I find in the welcome which he has given. ‘The Spirit and the church say, Come: every one who hears, says, Come; and Jesus says, Let him who is thirsty, come; and WHOSOEVER will, let him come and take of the water of life freely.’ In this WHATSOEVER, I have found every letter of my name, and have had as special a welcome as if Gabriel had paid me a visit from heaven” (PG. 124-128).
“God does work directly upon us by the scriptures.”
Show me one verse that states that God works “ONLY” through the scriptures. Just one.
I have shown you many verses that state God works directly on the heart. It’s not even a question. If you had experienced the presence of God in your heart you would not be trying to convince anyone that God works “ONLY” through the text. The fact that God’s words are spirit and life does not give those words supernatural ability to to give you holy understanding.
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Only? Who said “only”?
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What is it, Scott? Does God work directly on the heart of man through His Spirit within that person? You have made it clear that you do not believe God does this, but “only” works through the written biblical text.
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You judge me with prejudice. You don’t know what I believe. You do not understand what the Spirit says of Himself through the scriptures.
You ignore that the Spirit speaks through the scriptures revealing the Word (Eph. 3:3-5, etc.), and that the Word is more than ink and paper (2 Cor. 3). The Word came in the flesh (John 1:14). The Gospel saves (Rom. 1:16, 1 Cor. 15:1-4). Christ’s words are SPIRIT AND LIFE (John 6:63)! These are to be written on the heart (Jer. 31:31-34, Heb. 8:7ff)! The Word is the sword of the Spirit (Eph. 6:17)! We must set our minds on the Spirit or we have no life (Rom. 8:5-6)! We are to be filled with the Spirit (Eph. 3:16ff, 5:18).
You don’t see this. You claim that the Spirit gives you revelation outside of the Word, who is Jesus Christ. IS NOT JESUS THE WORD?! Can you know Jesus’ words outside of His words given to us by His Apostles and prophets (John 16:7-13)?!
YOU ARE PROMOTING MYSTICISM OVER JESUS CHRIST.
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Do you believe that God interacts directly with believers? You quotes verses that say He does work directly in the believer, yet you seem to suggest that He does not. If one has never read a bible can God work on his heart?
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They can know that God exists in their hearts by observing Creation and by the natural law written on the heart (Rom. 1:18ff, 2:14-15).
God does work directly upon us by the scriptures. The scriptures are simply not written text, but contain the only source of Christ’s words, which are spirit and life.
What is the mission of the Holy Spirit? What are spiritual gifts for as listed in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11? Who had spiritual gifts? What is prophecy? How long did these gifts last?
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“My reading is objective and honest, and so are those united together in His Church. How can you know the Truth of Jesus’ words unless are honest?
Scott, who doesn’t believe that their reading isn’t objective and honest?? Seriously, who isn’t honest? And how do you know those who are united in His Church are objective and honest? You can only know about yourself.
This is just rhetoric.
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I worry that you may have the same affliction that the Jews had when Jesus addressed them:
John 5:38-40
38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You study[a] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
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The following passage soundly. defeats your theory that God works only through the text.
2 Corinthians 3:2-4
Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
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Second Corinthians was written with ink! Rather Paul said that “ye”, the Corinthian Christians, were written on “our hearts”, Paul and fellow helpers, and thus by hearing the hearts of Paul, Timothy, and the rest, then people read their letter of Christ established upon the Spirit of Christ showing the love of the Gospel for that congregation and the Spirit’s indwelling in the Temple of Christ, the Church. The same is true today when I praise my brethren in love because I am filled with the Spirit. This is a wonderful passage describing the Spirit work upon the heart by the Word whether spoken or read.
One thing that disrupts reading comprehension is the lack of complete honesty and desire to understand the person’s words. Only the influence of the Spirit’s words from text to heart can cause someone to change.
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You’re impossible! You cannot seem to know anything unless you first read it. Is everything you know about “love” from a text? Don’t you need to have a personal experience with love to have a true understanding of it? Is your love based upon intellectual principles that you read in a book? Cannot you know anything about anything unless you first read it? Seriously?
Nowhere does the bible state that something must first be read to be written on the heart. You created that to support your per-concieved idea that we are responsible to the Bible and not the God (there is a difference). The principles of love are written on your heart w/o having to read it first. How can you be so shallow as to think reading makes one holy? You’re a human being, not a robot. We (as humans) have instincts that are intrinsic to our inner being that you seem to deny. You take a scientific approach to a spiritual process and it does not make anything but your facade look holy. The NT is one about your inner being, not your facade.
I’m sorry for you that you have become so hardened to God’s voice within you, and that you have no ability to hear experience God presence within you.
I don’t know where you ever got that God speaks “only” through the text. It certainly is not in the text.
I think you worship the Bible!
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“By doing this reading, the word is written upon the heart, because Jesus words are spirit and life (John 6:63).”
Words do not have any power of their own. You and I can read the same identical words and have a different experience of what they mean. If the word had power of it’s own it would have the same effect on everybody. Our minds are subjective and many factors play into how we will interpret words. If you had been brought up Catholic, Methodist, Mormon, etc. your mind would have a totally difference experience of what you read in scripture. Neither you or I are totally objective about what we read, so even though God’s words are spirit and life does not mean that we will receive them as intended by God. The fact that hundreds of different religions exist as a result of the same Bible is proof of what I just stated. Your system of truth is based upon outer practical principles of NT truth and not the inner spiritual principles of NT truth. If one read your post it’s mostly about how to conduct yourself as a Christian. You’re a teacher of physical water baptism, proper church service protocol, proper conduct, proper church attendance , etc. very little of what you teach is about the inner aspects of Christianity. You rarely talk about the passive aspects of NT Christianity. The NT is full of how to become passive and allow God to do His work in the believer. Instead it’s about how to make the flesh capable at carrying out commands. Why? It’s because you don’t believe that God works in the mind and heart of the believer. Instead you teach that God only gives written commands and expects us to follow them. It cheapens God and makes Him less than omnipotent. You would give lip service to God’s omnipotence and yet state that he cant reach us through direct connection. How oxymoronic is that?
The NT is absolutely essential in the Christian process, but it is a tool toward spiritual awakening. It is not the object of our quest. If one uses it properly it will become a valuable tool toward the awakening of the Spirit within the believer. Used improperly it becomes a book of rules, regs and commands which do nothing but change the facade of the person. You advocate following the commands more than becoming spiritually transformed and this is where you and I part ways.
God does work interactively with His Children, and not just through written words. Sorry you don’t get this.
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Can I worship the Word come in the flesh? Am I a robot? Does reading make one holy or one’s own works of righteousness and inventions of men? Neither. Are Jesus’ words spirit and life or does spiritual osmosis set them in one’s heart?
I read this about experience and love from the Holy Spirit:
“More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us” (Rom. 5:3-5).
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Why do you make up stuff that I don’t believe and argue with them?
My reading is objective and honest, and so are those united together in His Church. How can you know the Truth of Jesus’ words unless are honest? How can Jesus mean one thing and we be permitted to interpret His words in 2 different ways?
The Holy Spirit is not awaken with in the dead man. The Spirit fills a believer and gives Him life (John 3:3, 5, Titus 3:5). Be filled with the Spirit (Eph. 5:18).
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Wow, Tom, I’m sorry you are missing the most important aspect of NT Christianity, that of the direct work of God on the heart of the believer. You apparently have become hardened of heart because it is the heart that understands, and is not just as a “feeling.” Do you know the difference between a “feeling” and an “understanding?” Apparently not.
If you have never experienced the presence of God in your heart then God is only a concept to you. Your walk with Christ is superficial and based upon your ability to read, comprehend and use self-discipline toward your salvation. Where does God fit into this? Where is the weakness that the NT refers to as that which makes one strong? You don’t really need God, you just need written text by which you can apply personal competency and willpower to win salvation. If that were NT Christianity then I would denounce my Christianity.
I could provide you with plenty of scriptures that would support that God works directly on the heart of the believer but my experience is that those who take your position are convinced that you are right and nothing will change that.
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God works directly on the heart by the Word of truth. “Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures” (Jas 1:18). “Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls” (Jas 1:21).
You treat the written text with weakness and do not see that it must be written on the heart. You act as the Word upon the heart does not produce spiritual feelings of virtue like joy, love, and peace (Gal. 5:22-23, Col. 3:14-16, 1 John 1:1-4).
You should provide scriptures for your beliefs.
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Nothing you posted said anything about the fact that the truth dwells only in the text and not directly on the heart. You are “assuming” such.
Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
Romans 2:14-16
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
Romans 10:8
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[b] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim:
Why do you minimize the power of God’s Spirit within you? Why are you afraid of God’s direct influence on the mind and heart? Your system of receiving the truth requires a minimal amount of human intelligence. One must be literate in order to receive the Truth only by text. We must have reading and comprehension skills under your theory. This eliminates much of the world from salvation. If God is omnipotent then why can’t He reach us by direct connection? The parable of the vine and branch states clearly that we are directly connected to Christ through this spiritual connection. Why do you deny this?
Why would you pray for strength and understanding and then expect God to grant this to you if you don’t believe He works within you? You seem not to need God but only his written words. There is a difference, you know.
Why pray? Just read the bible and follow it’s instruction and then no prayer is needed. You don’t need God to understand His message. All you need is his words, right? If indeed you believe that God does grant you understanding then you have admitted that He does influence your mind directly.
You have a serious dilemma to overcome.
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See, again you are not listening and twisting my words. First of all, the New Testament was written to Christians and not just to the literate or to church leaders as seen by Philippians 1:1. Colossians and 1 Thessalonians was to be read to the congregation. Timothy was told to give himself to teaching, reading, and exhortation. Why if the Spirit will just reveal it to the believer? Are these 1st c. Christians not capable under the guidance of the Apostles? You speak as though God should not have given us different talents of human intelligence, and yet accountable people have the ability to communicate by language, which God created for us from the beginning.
By doing this reading, the word is written upon the heart, because Jesus words are spirit and life (John 6:63).
Is the indwelling of the Spirit by the Word or by direct operation of the Spirit? Yes. Both. The Spirit operates by the Word. The difference between you and me is that you keep excluding written Word from the work of the Spirit (Eph. 6:17), and yet the Spirit revealed the written Word, the New Testament (2 Pet. 1:20).
Does God bless us in this world with wisdom from our experiences outside of the Word? Yes, according to the promise of the Word (Jas. 1:5).
Yet, you refer to scriptures that are contrasting the Old Testament from the New Testament, and Romans 2:14-15 is in contrast to your point speaking of the limited natural law in the hearts of Gentiles working upon their consciences without the Gospel.
The influence of the message of the cross and the Gospel of Christ has a far greater impact upon the hearts of men than the Old Law (2 Cor. 5:14-17).
You sound like you are your own private prophet. Yet, what signs or scriptures can show of your direct guidance? Yet, you would not know anything about the Spirit unless it was written in the New Testament. Otherwise, you be making things up as you appear to be doing.
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I appreciate the concerns of A. Campbell. These were words of a man who was digging his way out of Calvin theology of his original affiliation who believed a strident mysticism that taught that God had to work upon the human heart since humanity had the incapability to respond to God on there own will due to “depraved nature” of sin. God had to override the sinful impulses of those He chose to save, according to the theory. This Reformed Theology insisted that the Holy Spirit accomplished God’s task by convicting, converting and sanctifying the human soul through its work. The literal indwelling within the framework of Reformed Theology, was necessary for TULIP to work. Once Alexander Campbell confronted his own conversion in that framework and rejected it through hard self-examination and finally came to the conclusion he was not taught Biblically, he then had to re-examine the way the Holy Spirit operated in the life of the Christian. This is the reason for his comments and he had good reason to reject a direct operation of the Holy Spirit since it made no sense in light of his observations and studies that led away from it. Today, many latch upon popular teaching that is based on Reformed Theology and without knowing it, many also embrace the very teaching that men like Campbell were attempting to escape. Many do not know the source of the modern ideas of literal indwelling or of direction operation outside the word. I personally have seen some who will make decisions based on their felt impressions, believed to be the Spirit working upon them, to reject written commandments that are inspired by the Holy Spirit! How can that possibly be? Direct operations cannot be proven to be Spirit driven, it always leads individuals to become self-absorbed in feeling their way through life, thinking they are being told what to do by God in their inner being, at the same time rejecting the written word of God.
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Amen.
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Reblogged this on Seeing God's Breath.
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I find it odd that others understand what I said and commented on other blogs. Anyways, I have to step away for some time.
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As for the Holy Spirit, there is no doubt of His indwelling nor the indwelling of the Son and Father (Gal. 2:20, Col. 3:16, 1 John 3:24). The gift of the Holy Spirit was promised (Acts 2:33) and we have all been blessed by the gift of the Holy Spirit being those spiritual gifts given to man to affirm the Gospel of Christ (Acts 10:45).
A Baptist who repents of sectarianism and is baptized into Christ has communion with Christ and with me. I have no say who is in fellowship with Christ (1 John 1:6-9). As for the rest of your words, I do not understand you and you make no sense to me. One breaks fellowship with Christ when that person communes with false teachers and those who are divisive.
It is not about your understanding or interpretation, but an honest heart that is faithful to the words of Christ.
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The literary and spiritual aspect of NT teaching is where division happens. The NT is a Spiritual writing and if it is taken as a literary writing then the spiritual message gets missed. Under literal interpretation one gets an obvious message of what to “do.” When one experiences the spiritual understanding then the message becomes what to “be.” The difference is subtle but very important because one can “do” from the letter of the text without “being” inwardly transformed. However one cannot become transformed of mind and not “do” what is natural to that nature, and that would be obedience, not to written law and commands, but to the nature that contains those laws intrinsically.
Hebrews 8:10 clearly supports this:
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:
…and 2 Corinthians 3:3:
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
There is absolutely a supernatural event that occurs in the consciousness of the Christian that is beyond logic. And yes God interacts with His Children apart from the text. Otherwise we are just robotic in our obedience. If God were only able to communicate with Christians via written text then only the literate would be saved. The scholars would have favored toward salvation. It would then support the fact that scholars are the chosen over those who are intellectually challenged.
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Scott, can you further explain this comment?
“It is not about your understanding or interpretation, but an honest heart that is faithful to the words of Christ.”
Everyone has an understanding of the words we read in the bible. Even you, yes or no?
Why do you think you have an honest heart compared to others? I have an honest heart and see the spiritual message behind the words. Would this be dishonest? If so, why?
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You say there is a message behind the words, and yet you can’t communicate a message without words or explain what you believe except that you disagree with everyone who follows Christ’s words in the Apostolic Scriptures.
“and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.”
“For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.”
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You totally miss the point, Scott. Is everything you know about “love” learned from reading words about “love,” Can you convey love to another simply by using words? The spiritual world is one in which communication happens in ways that are beyond words. I quoted Hebrews and Corinthians to supports this. When the Lord said, “I will write my laws on their hearts and minds” do you thing He was referring to the text?
You approach the scriptures from the same mindset that a lawyer would use to approach the Constitution. It’s as if the NT were nothing more than a book of instructions on how to conduct oneself in a Christian manner.
Isn’t there more to NT Christianity than reading the text and following the instructions? Is there nothing intrinsic in your Christian life?
You still have not addressed the point of those who are illiterate. Your system of “Christianity by the text” leaves a lot of innocent illiterate people without salvation. Are you able and willing to address this?
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