How Much Should a Christian Drink?

Originally posted on Seeing God's Breath:

Some see nothing wrong with drunkenness and others believe all drinking is sinful. Some make grand defenses of drinking in moderation more so than they have ever done in proclaiming Jesus Christ. Those who declare that there is not one positive statement about drinking alcohol in the Bible despite frustrate those advocating for moderation. Those warning against drinking are apparent concerned for those contending for moderate drinking. With all honesty, Christians must allow God’s Word to answer these questions.

Listen to those advocating moderate drinking. Their points are in the following questions: Did not the high priest Melchizedek honor Abraham with bread and wine (Gen 14:18)? Why does God tell the Israelites to drink wine and similar drink while rejoicing before the LORD (Deut 14:26, cf. Isa 55:1, Amos 9:14)? Why does Psalm 104:15 approve of wine that causes one to be glad? Why does God command drink offerings of wine (Num 15:5-10)? Why does Proverbs…

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15 Responses to How Much Should a Christian Drink?

  1. Phil, you are the one who plead your case first by writing these blog posts, and here are some of your neighbors examining you but you still refuse to listen. There is little to no support of your claim that these references are talking about juice instead of alcohol. Many have pointed out how common sense, historical, medical and scientific data and biblical exegesis show that it is alcoholic wine, but you refuse to budge. So, not trying to be mean, but this just makes you look like a hypocrite. I know you love truth in your heart, but it just seems to me you have a death grip on tradition and experience when it comes to this issue. I don’t think you are open in the slightest bit that maybe you are wrong, and so, even if the truth contradicted your view, you’d refuse to see it.

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  2. Phil says:

    Don’t you think that the authors of the Bible would made it clear what was alcoholic and non-alcoholic if it was that important for us to know. Do you think they would have created a plan in which we would need to study Greek to get His message?

    The other factor is that His writings and message are Spiritual in nature, and using an intellectual process to understand a Spiritual message will remove any objectivity because the intellect is subjective.

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  3. You wrote, “There is not one positive statement about drinking alcohol in the whole Bible despite what others think.” I guess this is one reason why you won’t acknowledge the FULL Bible ;)

    Careful. I bet you want to argue that Jesus didn’t consider this as Scripture…

    Sirach 31:35-37
    “Wine was created from the beginning to make men joyful, and not to make them drunk. Wine drunken with moderation is the joy of the soul and the heart. Sober drinking is health to soul and body.”

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    • You missed the part about wine whether yayin or oinos being generic grape juice and contextually alcoholic. The Scriptures contrast the two, and so does your apocryphal passage.

      What is this “sober drinking”?
      Sirach 31.37-38, “Wine soberly drunken is profitable for the life of man. What is his life that is overcome with wine? (28) Wine was made from the beginning to make men glad, and not for drunkenness.”

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      • Phil says:

        The average reader of scripture does not go into “yayin or oinos.” Why would God give us a bible that requires we know Greek and all of the applications of words that have multiple meanings? This is why I promote living from God’s Spirit within your consciousness. His message is very simple and not convoluted with Greek interpretation. If the average reader of Scripture is required to know Greek then most Christians will be damned due to no fault of their own. The Bible is a Spiritual writing and cannot be understood using intellectual processes. The heart is the seat of understanding, according to the Scriptures. Listen to your heart! It’s not that complicated.

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      • It does not seem that the Scripture is contrasting two “kinds” of grape juice, but contrasting two uses of the the same alcoholic grape juice, and I would think 99% of reasonable people would agree.

        So in other words, your statement has been shown to be false, because Scripture certainly does show a positive passage about alcohol. Jus’ sayin’

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        • As in the article above, I presented the passages for using alcoholic wine that are used to promote it as an acceptable drink. Yet, not one is apparently alcoholic considering the original language, and most are blatantly not referring to alcoholic wine. As far as “two kinds”, call it two kinds of wine – alcoholic and not – or call it two kinds of grape juice – alcoholic or not. The truth is that there is no positive references and only negative to alcoholic wine that intoxicates and gets one drunk. What is vain and idle drinking other than sipping (1 Pet. 4:3, oinophrugia)? Where is moderate drinking if we are not even to sip? Why the warnings throughout Scripture against the use of wine and not just the possibility of drunkenness?

          The only other matter is that many people have closed their eyes in denial of how much they are drinking. People do not realize that a glass of wine of 10 ounces is 2 drinks, and after 2 glasses, their blood alcohol level is 0.08%. People have a more realistic perception of the effects of beer and liquor than modern day wine. I just recently read an article of wine consumers complaining about the increase in alcohol in wine over the years from 12% to 14-15%, which they have been using in their family gatherings and now are disruptive. Add to that again, few realize that this is not the kind of alcoholic wine that we find in the Bible, and certainly not the kind that Jesus made.

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        • Phil says:

          “Phil, Jesus’ words are not subjective to understand. He said that we can know the Truth, and thus we can.”

          Then why is there argument on what his words mean? It doesn’t matter that Jesus’ words are objective. The mind reading the words is subjective. Do you think that understanding Greek is necessary? Do you really think that the “yayin or oinos.” issue is undisputable?

          Think about what you are saying. You’re just shooting from the hip because you are indoctrinated with coC Theology and you want to protect it.

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