Ten Clear Characteristics of the Church of Christ

1. Faith: The Church of Christ has a complete and whole faith in one God. God the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit are all one God, and are not created since God is eternal (Gen. 1:26, 3:22, Matt. 28:19, Luke 3:22, Acts 10:37-38, Rom. 8:9-11, 9:5). God is understood as the Head of Christ (1 Cor. 11:3). Christ is God in the bodily form (John 1:1, 14, Col. 2:9), and the Spirit is the Spirit of the whole of God (1 Cor. 2:10-11). The From the beginning, the Word was God, who came in the flesh being the Christ (Isa. 9:6, 48:16, John 1:1, 14, Phil. 2:5-8, Col. 1:15-20). The Church believes Jesus, who taught that God created the world in six literal days (Exo. 20:11, Mark 10:6-8). Jesus is the Christ, who was born of a virgin and was predicted to come centuries before His birth (Isaiah 7:14, 9:6, 48:16, 52:13-53:12, Psalm 22:1, 7-18). God sent Jesus being in His express image being tempted in all ways, He did not sin and yet died (Heb. 4:14-15, 1 Pet. 2:22, Phil. 2:5-11). Therefore, Jesus did not earn death or condemnation in Hell,Jacksonville-Church-of-Christ and yet He destroyed the power of death by being raised from the dead (Heb. 2:14, Rom. 6:8-10). Jesus “came to seek and to save the lost” (Luke 19:10). In the end, Christ will be the Judge, and He will judge the nations giving the righteous eternal life in His heavenly paradise and sentencing others to eternal punishment (Matt. 25:31-46, Rev. 20:11-15).

2. Love: Christ’s Church truly loves God and one another. Christ’s disciples are to be known by their love for one another (John 13:35, 14:21-24, 1 John 3:10, 16, 5:1-3). Their love for one another is included in their love for God in which their love for God is seen by their obedience in observing all that Christ has commanded (1 John 5:2-3, John 14:23, Matt. 28:20). The Church loves one another so much that they follow Jesus’ pattern and lay down their lives for one another for there is no greater love (1 John 3:16-17, John 15:13, Rom. 5:8). The Church practices true religion in the care of true widows and orphans (Jas. 1:27, 1 Tim. 5:3-10). They give freely without having to follow the obsolete command to tithe (2 Cor. 9:6-15, cf. Acts 2:44-45, 4:32-35). They love their neighbors as oneself, and do to others as each would have others do to them (Luke 6:31, 10:27). The Church of Christ is opposed to the murdering of the innocent and the cruel dismemberment of unborn babies (Prov. 6:17).

3. Truth: The Church in Christ believes that the words of Jesus Christ are infallible Truth (John 14:6, 17:17). The Church has no creed, but Christ and His words. Because Jesus is perfectly sinless, His words and those of the Holy Spirit are inerrant and perfect (John 6:63, 2 Cor. 5:21, Heb. 4:15, 1 Pet. 2:22). Jesus gave His words to His Apostles and prophets (John 15:20, 17:8, 1 Cor. 2:13, Gal. 1:11-12). The Christian scriptures consist of the New Testament having been written by Christ’s Apostles and prophets under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and these Scriptures were collected under the oversight of Christ’s Apostles (John 16:7-13, 1 Cor. 14:37, Eph. 3:3-5, 2 Pet. 1:16-21, 1 John 1:1-4). The Church of Christ knows that these Scriptures can make one complete and these holy writings are thoroughly equipped for every good work (2 Tim. 3:16-17). The Church does not add or take away from God’s Word (Gal. 3:15, 2 John 9, Rev. 22:18-19). While Jesus’ words are spirit and life, the Law of Moses and the commandments written on stone brought death and are obsolete (2 Cor. 3:7, Heb. 8:13).

4. Grace: The Church of Jesus Christ is made of believers, who are saved by grace being raised with Christ after dying with Christ to one’s sins and being buried with Christ in baptism (Eph. 2:4-6, Col. 2:12-13, Rom. 6:3-6). There is one baptism, which is in Jesus’ name and is an immersion in water (Eph. 4:5, Acts 10:47-48). The one baptism is for those who believe, confess faith, and repent in dying to one’s sins (Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Rom. 10:9-10). This baptism is for the forgiveness of sins to be saved, added to the Church, and born again through the resurrection of Christ (Acts 2:38, 41, 47; 22:16; 1 Pet. 1:3, 3:21, John 3:5, Titus 3:5). Through baptism, one is born of the water and the Spirit, and being washed in Jesus’ name, a believer is sanctified and justified by the Spirit (1 Cor. 6:11). These who are saved must walk in the newness of life and continue in the faith (Rom. 6:4, Col. 1:22, Rev. 2:10). Those who love God are predestined and must make their election sure (Rom. 8:28-30, Eph. 1:3-6, 11-14; 2 Pet. 1:10).

5. Leadership: Christ’s Church maintains the name of Christ in identity, because Christ is the Head of the Church, which is His body (Rom. 12:4-5, Eph. 1:22-23, Col. 1:18). Being the Head, Christ built the Church and bought it with His blood (Matt. 16:18, Acts 20:28). The Church of Christ bears His name as His bride (Rom. 16:16, Acts 20:28, Rev. 21:9, cf. Eph. 5:22ff). Christ is the chief Pastor of His Church (1 Pet. 5:4). Jesus established congregations to be individually pastured by two or more elders in an eldership, who lead by example (Acts 14:23, 20:28, 1 Tim. 3:1-7, 4:14, Titus 1:6-9, 1 Pet. 5:1-4). There is no mention in the inerrant and complete Scriptures of archbishops, reverend fathers, presidents, senior pastors, popes, and the like, and these are excluded by not adding or taking from God’s Word. These elders must be married men, have faithful children, and meet other specific characteristics (1 Tim. 3:1-7, Titus 1:6-9). With Christ being the Head, Jesus established the man to be the head of the wife, who is the body (1 Cor. 11:3, 8-9; Eph. 5:22-24). Women are instructed to subordinate to their believing husbands, who are to love their wives by nourishing and cherishing their wives giving their lives for them (Eph. 5:25, 28-29, 33; cf. John 15:13, 1 John 3:16). Women are not to teach or rule over men, because God gave men this leading role for God created man first (1 Tim. 2:11-12). Yet unlike men, women are the glory of man, who have a powerful influence (1 Cor. 11:7, cf. 1 Pet. 3:1-7). Men and women are both one in Christ and in eternal inheritance (Gal. 3:28).

6. Communion: The Church of Jesus Christ assembles every first day of the week to commune with Christ in the Lord’s Supper. The Church maintains the traditions of God just as these were delivered (1 Cor. 11:2). The congregation partakes of the Lord’s Supper being gathered together as the whole congregation in the Assembly (1 Cor. 10:16, 11:17-34, 14:23). The Assembly meets every first day of the week, which is the Lord’s Day (1 Cor. 11:20, 33; Acts 20:7, cf. 1 Cor. 16:1-2, Matt. 18:20, Rev. 1:10, 13, 20). Churches of Christ follows the example of Christ by blessing and breaking bread representing Christ’s sacrificial body, and next, they bless and partake of the cup of the fruit of the vine representing Jesus’ sacrificial blood (1 Cor. 10:16, 11:17-34, cf. Matt. 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-25, Luke 22:19-22).

7. Worship: The Church of Christ consists of true worshipers worshiping God in spirit and truth. These believers worship in spirit and truth both with their spirit and mind according to the Truth, the Word of God (John 4:23-24, 17:17 1 Cor. 14:15). True worshipers do not worship as David brought the physical worship into Jerusalem (John 4:21). Now, the Church is God’s temple in which His followers are priests who offer spiritual sacrifices to God, which are their praises, good works, and sharing (1 Pet. 2:5, Heb. 13:15-16). Christians do not forsake the Assembly, but seek to come together to worship, edify, and stir one another to love and good works (1 Cor. 14:26, Heb. 2:12, 10:24). All who speak, sing, and pray in the Assembly must do so by understandable and meaningful words rather than unintelligible sounds and soulless instruments (1 Cor. 14:7-19). The congregation sings among themselves with one voice in thanksgiving to God and teaching one another (Rom. 15:5-6, Eph. 5:19, Col. 3:16). Christians are diligent not to worship for show or display of talents (Matt. 6:1-8, 23:4-6, Mark 12:38-40, Rom. 12:3-8).

8. Unity: The Church of Christ is united in one body without sects and denominations. Jesus said that He came to build His Church and not many different churches (Matt. 16:18). Christ said that there is “one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16). Jesus bought His Church with His blood (Acts 20:28), and His Church is God’s special people, who are the saved (1 Pet. 2:5). No one has the right to alter Christ’s Church. The Church is a part of God’s eternal purpose, and it is the Kingdom and Nation of Christ on earth (Eph. 3:10-11, John 18:36, 1 Pet. 2:9, Col. 1:13, Heb. 12:28). Christ prayed that His believers be one (John 17:20-21). The Church can be united in the same mind and the same judgment without division (1 Cor. 1:10-13). Christ’s Church is opposed to denominations, because those who practice divisions and sects cannot inherit the kingdom of Heaven (Gal. 5:19-21). Therefore, the Church of Christ is diligent to avoid and withdraw from false teachers and those openly practicing sin (Acts 20:28-29, Rom. 16:17-18, 1 Cor. 5, 2 Thess. 3:6, 14; 2 Tim. 4:3-4, Titus 3:10).

9. Family: The Church of Jesus Christ maintains God’s institution of marriage, which is the basis of the family. According to the words of Jesus Christ, God established marriage to consist of one man and one woman from the beginning (Gen. 2:24, Matt. 19:4-6, Mark 10:6-9, 1 Cor. 7:2, Eph. 5:31). A husband and wife are to love respect one another (Eph. 5:28-33, Titus 2:3-5, 1 Pet. 3:7). Father and mother figures are essential roles for the basis of the home (Eph. 6:1-4). The home should be honored (Heb. 13:4). Therefore, all extra-marital sexual relations disregard God’s institution of marriage and are sexually immoral (Heb. 13:4). The Church of Christ recognizes that those who practice sexual immorality will not inherit the kingdom of God and will suffer the punishment of eternal fire (1 Cor. 6:9-10, Gal. 5:19-21, Eph. 5:5, Col. 3:5-6, Jude 1:7, Rev. 21:8). Jesus defined adultery to include divorcing and marrying another unless the other spouse is sexually unfaithful (Matt. 5:32, 19:6, 9, Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18). A Christian can only remarry when marrying another is not adulterous (Matt. 19:9, Mark 10:11-12, Rom. 7:3, 1 Cor. 7:39). The Church maintains that the separation of spouses is sometimes necessary for reasons other than fornication or adultery; however, those separated are commanded not to marry anyone else, and they can only return to each other and should return to one another (1 Cor. 7:2, 5, 10-15).

10. Message: Christ’s Church is diligent to proclaim the Gospel message and make disciples of all the nations. The command from Christ to His Apostles make disciples teaching them to observe all things that He had commended them included that very command to make disciples and to teach them all things (Matt. 28:20). This is the perpetual instruction to evangelize seen throughout the Scriptures. From Stephen and Philip to Priscilla and Aquila, Christians proclaimed the Gospel throughout the nations of the world (Acts 8:4). Christians are to confess Christ before men (Matt. 10:32-33). The Church does not proselyte through traditions and creeds, but evangelizes through the Gospel. Jesus’ Church recognizes Paul’s instruction to Timothy to teach others to teach others is perpetually for all faithful Christians (2 Tim. 2:2). Christ’s Church is obedient to Christ’s words, “He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad” (Matt. 12:30, cf. 1 Cor. 3:6-8). God desires that everyone be saved (1 Tim. 2:4, 2 Pet. 3:9). Being compelled by Jesus’ love, the Church is committed to proclaiming the praises of God (1 Pet. 2:9, cf. 2 Cor. 5:14-21).

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43 Responses to Ten Clear Characteristics of the Church of Christ

  1. Scott, Scott, Scott… You haven’t spammed my site for some time so I thought I come on over and see what you’ve been up to. I actually sort of miss the cray you brought to me life! After reading this post, I thought the Internet would be improved if I added a bit of reality to it…

    Any monkey can rattle off Scripture after Scripture. But heresy isn’t found in the Scripture, it’s found in the interpretation of Scripture. If the Scriptures were so “easy” to interpret, then there wouldn’t be so many competing Protestant sects–and we surely wouldn’t need YOU to offer your opinions about them. So for you to have any impact on thoughtful readers, perhaps you should attempt to justify to people why they should care about your opinions. But of course, you cannot. Where as I don’t pretend to be a Bible expert or self-ordained man-o-god, I appeal to established authority for what I believe as much as I can–authority that is rooted in Christ and his monarchical (not entrepreneurial/democratic) established Church (the real/Catholic Church of Christ).

    1) Your sect is incomplete. Telling yourself that it is complete is no different that a Mormon telling herself over and over again, “I know my church is true.” You lack 7 books of the Bible, you have no Sacred Magisterium, and are missing 5 sacraments. In other words, you have less than half of a deck of cards (are cards still a sin?).

    2) True! The Catholic Church of Christ truly loves God and one another.

    3) True! The Catholic Church of Christ believes that the words of Jesus are infallible. Good job! But your words (interpretations/opinions) are fallible.

    4) It’s great that your sect has retained a belief in baptismal regeneration. After all, it was taught for centuries before your sect was invented by 19th century self-proclaimed Bible experts from Kentucky.

    5) True, Christ is the King! Unfortunately, you deny the King’s intent by denying the structure he created–the structure that the true Church of Christ (=Catholic Church of Christ) has maintained for 2,000 years. A person who fancies himself a Christian should follow his Commanding Officer’s intent. So until Jesus walks through a wall and ordains you, changes your name to Rock, or are ordained by people He gave such authority to, then your self-grabbed career is, well, just a tradition of men.

    6) Again, it’s great that your sect has not abandoned an appearance of everything Christian. But unfortunately, your bread and Welch’s Grape Juice remains just bread and Welch’s Grape Juice; it is not Jesus’ body, blood, soul, and divinity. So much for, “Unless you eat me…”. (But wait! You said your sect has a complete faith in God!!!–see #1).

    7) Your worship lacks many elements: Authoritative message, Eucharist, fellowship with the true Church of Christ from all places and all times. Heck, your sect is even ashamed to call your Brother’s (Jesus’) mother your mother!

    8) Your “Church of Christ” is a sect/denomination. Why do you continue to spread this lie? There is nothing different (other than make-shift leadership structures) about your sect than any of the other Protestant sects. Your sect adds to the chaos that self-interpretation creates–a needle in a haystack of competing/clanging voices.

    9) Great! But unfortunately, your sect doesn’t understand marriage in its fullness–even teaches contraception. Really, really sad. Why is it you focus on just the sacrament of Marriage and not mention the sacraments that your modern tradition has jettisoned?

    10) Your sect is diligent??? Then why is your tiny sect so invisible? What impact has it ever had? Why has it added almost nothing to the world? Is there a sect that is less important on earth? I can think of none. I’m not insulting you–these are real questions, invitations for you to throw away your bigotry and seek God.

    Feel free to Email me if you become interested in studying the Bible or history. I’m always happy to help honest students–even you, Scott!

    Pax,
    Pat

    • Okay. :-) We must hold to the Head, who is Christ (Col. 2). Paul expected that his readers understand what they read (Eph. 3:3-5). All the scripture writers clearly expected that by the fact that they wrote to churches and all Christians for a reason. Christ expected all to learn from the apostles (John 15:20, 17:20-21). Can we understand scripture or should we invent a hierarchy to interpret the Word for us? :-)

      Christ only leads me to the Apostolic church in the Christian scriptures.

      I’ll consider any primary sources of history that you send me.

      • You clearly didn’t read anything I wrote–whatever makes you feel good, Scott.

      • Also, you HAVE invented a hierarchy. You are the pope of the “church” that you’ve conjured in your own mind, and you expect everyone else to follow you. You don’t hold Christ or the Bible as the head; you hold Christ and the Bible UNDER your self-grabbed authority. Yes, Scott, you have a fake job, and have set yourself over the Scriptures as the measure of orthodoxy. SCARY (for you).

        Also, your evasion of the Catholic hierarchy (= Christian hierarchy) is pretty telling. Self-promotion is easy for someone who swipes another Faith’s book and pretends that its theirs! I’ve shown you in the past numerous times how the the hierarchy is scriptural (as it only can be since it is the hierarchy that created the Bible). Do you ever get tired of plugging your ears and covering your eyes, Scott?

        • :-)

          Who can accept this evasion of the Catholic Orthodox church (“Greek Orthodox”)? Who came first: the Catholics without a Pope or the one with a pope? Yet, even those churches and hierarchy never resembled the Orthodox Catholic church of the 4th century or those churches before Constantine. Yet, from then forward, there have been Christians from the Vaudois to the Lollards claiming Christ’s New Testament as the authority declaring to simply be the Church of Christ.

          Yeah, no one is buying the faulty charge, “You make yourself the pope.” Christ leads no one to a pope, but to the Father and His Son.

          I don’t expect people to accept my interpretation, but to put it to the test. As you know, our preachers call believers to read and see if what we teach is true. We are few. Yet, we are easily united in the Gospel: the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Those who conform to Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection do not struggle to understand Jesus’ words alike. This is true as all our brethren bear witness and God is our witness.

          We all know that the New Testament is not your book. As you admit, the Apostles testify that they accepted the New Testament scriptures under their oversight in the 1st century. Yet, your hierarchy is not even mentioned and it is contrary to the church government in the Christian scriptures. You assert that government was temporary. How? Not by Christ’s words. Not by His Spirit speaking through the Apostolic scriptures.

      • Still waiting on those historical sources? I expect that you would be able to show that church elders were temporary. Certainly, you can show some ancient sources from the Bishop of Rome from and before the 4th century. I really want to read them. I’d like to know.

    • Phil says:

      Great post!

  2. Great Post brother Scott,
    I don’t know what’s wrong with Patrick Vandapool but one thing I know for sure, his actions shows that he does’t have Christ in him so he’s still in darkness. He should realized that Catholism is a Lie! It’s so unbiblical. The Rosary, Purgatory, the Priest named the Father, the Pope called Infallible, the worshiping of Idol and More are All man made Lies or Abomination!
    Thank You.

    • Thank you and thank you for posting on Facebook. You’re right Catholicism is unbiblical. Following Christ in the Gospels does not lead one to faith in the Roman “Catholic” Church. It is that simple. Yet, Christ does lead us to the Apostles in Acts, the Epistles, and Revelation. He is Christ predicted in the Prophets. Yet, none of the Apostles or Prophets lead us to the Roman “Catholic” church. I can’t follow their reasoning as they are not following Christ.

    • AWKWARD PROTESTANT MOMENT:
      Infallibly stating that infallibility is a lie. (You guys crack me up.)

      AWKWARD PROTESTANT MOMENT:
      Stating that the Church that created the Bible is not Biblical. (Yes, you guys are still cracking me up!)

      So… Scott avoids facts (again) by not reading my comment, not acknowledging my comment, and then expecting me to run after red herrings by brining up irrelevant and dishonest “points”; and then you chime in with an old-as-dirt Protestant laundry list that any honest “Christian apologist” would be embarrassed to present because of how it reveals such a lack of education (or perhaps honesty).

      If truth matters to you:
      Rosary: = words found in scripture. Prayers aren’t “unbiblical”.
      •Purgatory: Scriptural.
      •Priest “named” Father: Scriptural precedent and allowance = not sin.
      Pope called infallible: “…guide you into all truth” = scriptural.
      •Worshipping of idol: Catholics worship God alone.

      Look, this stuff isn’t secret. Honest people love truth, and it’s not difficult to find. Best of luck.

      • Nice lack of citations of scripture.

        Yes, as you said, I’m mildly retarded and uneducated. I have 3 letters after my name: GED.

        I’ve been asking you honestly for primary sources of history and, or scripture. Yet, you have presented none. NONE! none? none; :-)

      • AWKWARD ROMAN CATHOLIC REASONING: The fallibility of the Roman “Pope” does not reject the infallibility of Christ and His Words. The Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ formed the New Testament and not the Roman Catholic sect that broke off from the Orthodox Catholic church.

        • I just posted this incredibly smart comment on my site–thank you!

          • Phil says:

            Patrick, I’m not Catholic, but your insight is refreshing on this issue. You bring up lots of questions that need to be answered, yet are not.

            For Christian to say that you do not have Christ in you is an obvious violation of the Scriptures that are so worshiped by He and Scott. We are told not to judge another’s heart, and Christian just did that, so credibility is lost. When obedience to commands and laws are the main objective then breaking one is the same as breaking all of them, which Christian just did.

  3. I like all your post.

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  5. Let it also be known:
    Scott (who pretends to be an honest Christian) not only ignores honest questions and points, but he also has added hyperlinks within my comments to pretty lame articles that he has written.

    Man up, Scott.

    • I am still waiting for your “honest questions and points”. You can post them here in the comments.

      • Still pretending, Scott?

        Here’s another: When did contraception / self-mutilation / self-sterilization become a characteristic of the *real* Church of Christ?

        I’m serious. Did your sect start off pro-death in this area in the 1800s (a position that escapes history), or did it change with the remainder of Protestantism in the 1930s?

        • Patrick,

          This is slander and defamation. I provide Roman Catholic sources and you cannot provide any such quotes of any of our leaders asserting this. We do not teach or promote in any way that our members use contraception, and we oppose all abortions at every stage for every reason as you well know. Therefore, we are not “pro-death”.

          We teach that children are a heritage from God, and those who have more children are further blessed (Psa. 127). Look and see, this is another hypocrisy of the Roman Catholics clear as day when they stand against contraception and yet practice “Natural Family Planning”, which by definition of “contraception” is a technique of contraception. You prevent having children as a heritage and blessing as much as other believers, who use contraception. You prevent pregnancy and yet judge those, who do not do as you do. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!”

          My personal conviction is for couples to not use contraception in technique, device, or medication, and let God bless each couple. If God blesses you with many children, then He will bless you in providing for them (Matt. 6:33). I also will not judge the couple who use treatments for fertility or use contraception when having another child is life-threatening. These are my convictions and do not stand for the Church. The churches of Christ are not a big-government hierarchy, and we don’t make nanny-state regulations for our brethren arrogantly on behalf of Christ.

          You can keep letting the Roman Catholic sect think for you, but as for us, we will follow Christ.

          • What I want is unattainable: an honest answer out of you.

            Are you ever going to answer the question? When did your religion START endorsing artificial birth control?

          • Like I said before, we do not teach or promote artificial birth control, and we strongly oppose artificial churches like the Roman Catholic body and its big government agenda.

          • I just posted a bloggity about your sect’s support of birth control and the Catholic Church’s secret fleet of black helicopters. BTW, saying that your sect doesn’t support it is another lie–clear to anyone who scratches its surface.
            Pax

          • :-) You quote from the La Vista church as though it represents the mainstream of our congregations. Anyone can slap “Catholic” on their building or “Church of Christ”. No one is going to take you seriously.

          • Good save, Scott. Meanwhile, you know full well that the content on that page perfectly representative of your sect.

          • Now, who is really lying?

          • You need to get to the real heart of the matter. Roman Catholics believe that Christ leads them to truth and traditions within the Roman Catholic church beyond and in addition to Scripture. The Church of Christ believes that Christ leads them to Truth and His Traditions by His words from His Apostles within the Scriptures.

          • As I wrote in my recent blog post:

            “What it [Scott and his sect] does is present a lie about the Church, then explain how that lie is wrong.”

            Thanks for proving me right again :)

          • Forgive me if I misrepresented you. How do you see Christ leading you to the Roman Catholic church or the Roman church leading you to Christ?

          • I’m happy to answer your question (I’m pretty sure I have many times and in many ways)! I’m also happy to see how polite you’ve become! I forgive you for misrepresenting me, but I can’t forgive you for misrepresenting the Church because I’m not the victim of that deception.

            But before I answer your question again, please answer the question that I’ve already asked you. When did your sect begin to endorse (or accept) artificial birth control. In other words, when did birth control become a “true characteristic” of the Church of Christ?

            Please don’t repeat the line, because most CofC churches do endorse or accept contraception. I don’t have any scientific data for that conclusion, but I’ve been in over 100 of them as a member and ex-member, and have observed its emphatic support for it, and an absolute denial of its grave nature (other than with abortive pills–thank God).

          • How did I misrepresent you or the Roman church? I’ve only used quotes from approved Catholic sources. You can forgive me when you present the error. Until then, I know of none.

            I am not a member of a sect and therefore cannot speak on behalf of any. I am a Christian and thus a member of the Church of Jesus Christ. We do not endorse artificial birth control no matter what you presuppose in slandering the Church. We oppose “pro-death” contraception. We stand and agree with Jesus Christ about the subject of using contraception that does not kill or harm a human life. What did Jesus say about contraception?

            Are there any members of the Church of Christ, who use contraception for the sole purpose to prevent from having children? I know of none, and you can’t name a name or give a quote of such a named person. What about the so-called “catholics” who do? Being a member of the Church of Christ educated in 2 of their Universities and sat among them in dozens of congregations, I am not aware of a single member who has ever got a vasectomy, hysterectomy, use birth-control pills, or used any other form of contraception to *solely* prevent from having more children given to them by God. I do know those with life-threatening and dangerous health conditions, who did so. Maybe you should go get quotes from these members that you supposedly know. You would rather judge in prejudice that many young couples in the Church do so. Should we judge you? How many children do you have?

            While you are trying to charge and judge us without evidence as you admit, should we talk about so-called “Catholics” like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, who support the dismemberment of infants in the womb? At the same time, your “priests” to your Papa don’t marry and thus are “pro-death” by your standards. Their existence is contra-ception, contrary to conception, which you oppose. If men make themselves eunuchs for the kingdom, what business is that for you to judge in self-popery (Matt. 19:12)?

            The churches of Christ have no dictating hierarchy or Papal tyrant to go beyond Christ into people’s private lives and demand either way. Do you even know what Jesus said about contraception?

          • I’m not going to name names online of CofC ministers and elders who use contraception and engage in self-sterilization, Scott.

            You want to run off after another red herring that you don’t understand (celibate priests), but I would like to keep within the topic so that you don’t get more confused.

            Catholics may use birth control, but Catholicism does not accept it. Yes, there are horrible “Catholics” like Pelosi, but you cannot judge a Faith by individuals, you can judge it by what it teaches (just as I don’t judge the CofC by the pervert, pedophiles, and adulterers in my first CofC). Your religion, however, is a moving target–it hides what it believes–it is a secret manifesto hidden in the minds of its members, and it refuses to write anything down so a person can point to a belief. You must admit how unfair that is to your followers, Scott. All a person can do is try to uncover some sort of consensus and find a position held by a majority of its members, and without a doubt, artificial birth control and self-mutilation are practiced and endorsed. Perhaps your’e one in a hundred (personally–not as a sect) who have retained the historical position, and realize it as a grave sin.

            I’m bored of this. Goodbye.

          • Finally, you admit to your unfair position. You are judging a faith by individuals in the Church while you are kind enough to not do so in some areas where perverts have crept in among the Catholic church and the Church of Christ.

            Is there some shortage of books that you cannot read about what we believe? You know there is not. You have those articles. You can easily cite the sources that I gave you.

            You say we are a moving target and yet Catholicism is ever changing. Should we judge each other either way? Christ does not move. By Him, we can start to unite and move forward.

            Let me say one more time. We have no position for or against “contraception” that does no harm to mother or child. If our members use “contraceptions”, they are silent and not forthcoming. We do not teach or promote contraception.

          • As you leave no reply, this discussion is over.

          • I did reply, check your box. And I agree, you are not capable of discussing this. Goodbye.

          • You left no reply to the question at hand concerning how Christ leads you to Catholicism.

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